Ethernet -- What's the big deal?

dsiegel's picture

Don't get me wrong, Bob Metcalfe invented a good thing in Ethernet, but I wonder if people aren't just a little too in love with it. I've been a happy user of Ethernet ever since I first got into networking. I never really had to deal with token ring, although I did work with FDDI a bit in the early nineties. I even had the joy of working with 10base2 (thinnet) and 10base5 (anyone remember vampire tap transceivers?) when I was an assistant network manager at the UofA, which was a royal pain in the neck troubleshoot when it broke, and I'm very happy for everyone that 10baseT is now the standard for everyday ethernet use (100mbit and lower).

But I'm not talking about any of that. What I'm talking about is everyoine asking for their network service as ethernet. It's not a problem in and of itself, but what I have personally found (and would love to be validated in this, so please leave comments) is every customer that asks for it wants it for a different reason, and many of those reasons are false, based on misconstrued data and market propaganda.

When I ask customers why they want ethernet, here are some the answers I've heard (all of which stem from some sort of misconception):

  • I want you, my VPN provider, to have a demark at my premise
  • It's simpler, because it's layer 2
  • I can use cheaper hardware because I don't need routers any more
  • VPLS is a superior way to build VPN's

Part of the problem is that there are so many ways to utilize ethernet as part of a network design, but I emphasize that it is part of a network design, not usually the network design itself.

Let's take each of the misconceptions one at a time. Ethernet does not necessarily mean the provider has a demark at your premise. It depends on how it's delivered. Unless a customer specifies that they are looking for a managed service where we put a router at your prem and manage it for you, we'll assume that you want to get a quote for an ethernet local loop from your local provider, and we'll use that to deliver access to your location instead of a traditional T1/E1/DS3/OC-n local loop.

The next one is one of my favorites, because using a protocol designed for LANs and putting it in the WAN is anything but simple. Some of you IT managers probably still have to deal with those nasty things called broadcast storms because you've got too many PC's on your network trying to talk at the same time. The problem is solved by breaking the network up into multiple collision domains by adding routers. Now, imagine that your LAN now has as much as 200ms of latency between nodes, and imagine the effect of a broadcast storm. Disasterous! Don't plan on connecting your switches right to an all ethernet WAN, not only is it a recipe for disaster but with many implementations of ethernet VPNs it doesn't work because each path to each site is mapped into a different Virtual LAN (VLAN), and recombining these VLAN's into one LAN requires a router, even if you're using VPLS.

So, all that said, there are still good reasons to use ethernet. For one thing, the cost of a router interface is cheaper than that of a SONET interface on a per-meg basis, especially if you use one of those hybrid switch/routers like you'll find from vendors such as Foundry and Cisco (their 7600 OSR). Also, some local carriers to have an ethernet product that offers a better price/meg on Ethernet than for traditional pricing. Availability of such access can really help you stretch your IT budget dollar to provide more for your internal customers.

If this proves to be a topic of interest for our readers, I'll be sure and post many followup blogs on this subject.

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dsiegel – Wed, 2006 – 03 – 01 16:25

VPLS - a subject and Product Global Crossing can learn about

As with all technologies VPLS has a scalaing limit. However Cisco lists the current limit at around 600 devices (locations). THis may not accomodate al enterprise network, but it will handle most.

Otherwise, the reasons customers choose VPLS is control of their routing environment as opposed to outsourcing or trusting the carrier. Also, MPLS typically involves route re-distribution into BGP. Customers also choose VPLS when they are migrating from a FR or ATM network because they maintain a layer 2 environment. ie it's in their comfort zone and they don't need to buy new Layer 3 management tools

You were correct about the router requirement, but as you can see saving the cost of a router is not the reason customer choose VPLS.

Anonymous (not verified) – Wed, 2007 – 01 – 31 21:03

Response to Ethernet - What's the deal article.

Great article. I have been using the fact that Ethernet is broadcast to get customers to realize the defficienecies with using Ethernet as a WAN transport.

Your words are better than any I have used to address but your words also confirm what I've been saying.

We are running into this more as local residential ISP's are attempting to enter the enterprise network business.

Fine for regional companies with few locations but when building a national and world-wide network IT people don't seem to get it that Ethernet has its limitations.

I have often looked for articles to chronical the differences between Ethernet and traditional SONET technologies but few are found.

I have found and condensed articles on the RPR (resilient Packet Ring) architectures and even then the limitations are to metro-networks.

Thank you for your fine article. Just like I like em, brief and on-point.

Tom Holterman
Sales Engineer
Milwaukee, WI
thomas.holterman@globalcrossing.com

tholterm – Wed, 2006 – 03 – 08 16:53

Re: Ethernet "WAN"

doug's picture

I find it funny to see WAN and Ethernet in the same context considering that with multimode fiber 100Base-FX is 2km at full duplex. Even 1000Base-PX20 supports only in the vicinity of 20km-60km if you have the right lasers and fiber infrastructure. I'd call that a MAN. :)

I don't worry too much about 'broadcast' when everything is a switch these days. You need a whole lots of hosts in a single collision domain for it to start mattering. Tried to find a hub
recently? Darned near impossible unless you can pick up an old guy on ebay for $5. ;) Let's face it though, those no substitute for good architecture, no matter what technology you end up with on your WAN.

Ethernet is great for edge connects. Full duplex and switches are your friend

doug – Wed, 2006 – 03 – 08 23:06

Re: Ethernet "WAN"

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Doug, you are right about switches generally taking collisions out of the picture, but the fact is that at least one VPLS implementation in a router vendor does not behave like a switch and blindly forwards all broadcasts and packets that enter the VLAN. In my mind, this is a bug, but the fact is that if implemented as currently available, ethernet collisions and broadcast storms could occur on the WAN. The solution to this little problem is to put a router at each CPE location, but doesn't that sort of defeat the point of what many customers thought Ethernet service would do for them?

dsiegel – Fri, 2006 – 03 – 10 11:27

Re: broken switches

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I seem to recall back in the late 80s companies like Vitalink thrived in the 'WAN bridge' market for just this sort of thing. Of course, routers at the time were heresy, of a sort, but Cisco eventually won consigning Vitalink to the thriftshop of technology history.

Jeez, spanning tree isn't that hard. :)

doug – Wed, 2006 – 03 – 15 19:11

Re: broken switches

dsiegel's picture

No, spanning tree isn't hard, but it does suck. If you try to implement any sort of complex architecture for a large network of switches you're going to have all sorts of issues with it.

Why they didn't implement a simple vector-based protocol, kind of like RIP for layer 2, is beyond me. It would be so much better than spanning tree.

dsiegel – Fri, 2006 – 03 – 17 16:58

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